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		<title>By: My favorite bad exam target: Math B (and a puzzle) &#171; JD2718</title>
		<link>http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/bad-math-b-questions-1/#comment-43428</link>
		<dc:creator>My favorite bad exam target: Math B (and a puzzle) &#171; JD2718</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bad Math B questions (1) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/bad-math-b-questions-1/#comment-40771</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what percentage of students pass maths b each year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what percentage of students pass maths b each year?</p>
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		<title>By: ooyanx</title>
		<link>http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/bad-math-b-questions-1/#comment-38851</link>
		<dc:creator>ooyanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate this regent, there are a lot of problem that i dont even get, its very confusing, i mean i almost fail it, i did do a lot of practices</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate this regent, there are a lot of problem that i dont even get, its very confusing, i mean i almost fail it, i did do a lot of practices</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Math B questions (3) &#171; JD2718</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Math B questions (3) &#171; JD2718</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already posted three bad problems, and then three more. There is ongoing math teacher discussion of individual questions at a Math [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jd2718</title>
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		<dc:creator>jd2718</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point symmetry - yes.
Yuck - yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point symmetry &#8211; yes.<br />
Yuck &#8211; yes.</p>
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		<title>By: dr rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum to previous: I guess they&#039;re talking point symmetry?  Yuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum to previous: I guess they&#8217;re talking point symmetry?  Yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: dr rick</title>
		<link>http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/bad-math-b-questions-1/#comment-38078</link>
		<dc:creator>dr rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with artificial context, to be honest.  It&#039;s there to test if they can pick the relevant parts out of a question, which is surely a testable skill?

The first problem you posted, I agree that the context is daft - because it&#039;s too brief to present any sort of challenge to reading and comprehension, rather than because it doesn&#039;t make sense in itself.  All sorts of things in the real world make no sense but still happen, after all!  I don&#039;t have a problem with &quot;1 radian&quot; - the assertion that mathy people measure angles in multiples of pi holds true only when they&#039;re *nice* multiples of pi.

Next question: whatever  “symmetric with respect to the origin”  is supposed to mean, it probably shouldn&#039;t.  I couldn&#039;t begin to guess.  Do the mean symmetric in the x axis?  y?  both?  rotational symmetry, and if so of what order?

Third question: if &quot;D_2&quot; means &quot;enlargement* with scale factor 2 about the origin&quot;, then the wording is redundant.  If it means &quot;enlargement with scale factor 2&quot; then it&#039;s a bad piece of notation as it doesn&#039;t describe a transformation without further information.  Either way I really don&#039;t like this sort of unglossed semi-standard notation stuff.

* we brits say &quot;enlargement&quot; rather than &quot;dilation&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with artificial context, to be honest.  It&#8217;s there to test if they can pick the relevant parts out of a question, which is surely a testable skill?</p>
<p>The first problem you posted, I agree that the context is daft &#8211; because it&#8217;s too brief to present any sort of challenge to reading and comprehension, rather than because it doesn&#8217;t make sense in itself.  All sorts of things in the real world make no sense but still happen, after all!  I don&#8217;t have a problem with &#8220;1 radian&#8221; &#8211; the assertion that mathy people measure angles in multiples of pi holds true only when they&#8217;re *nice* multiples of pi.</p>
<p>Next question: whatever  “symmetric with respect to the origin”  is supposed to mean, it probably shouldn&#8217;t.  I couldn&#8217;t begin to guess.  Do the mean symmetric in the x axis?  y?  both?  rotational symmetry, and if so of what order?</p>
<p>Third question: if &#8220;D_2&#8243; means &#8220;enlargement* with scale factor 2 about the origin&#8221;, then the wording is redundant.  If it means &#8220;enlargement with scale factor 2&#8243; then it&#8217;s a bad piece of notation as it doesn&#8217;t describe a transformation without further information.  Either way I really don&#8217;t like this sort of unglossed semi-standard notation stuff.</p>
<p>* we brits say &#8220;enlargement&#8221; rather than &#8220;dilation&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jd2718</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I agree. To make the problem realistic would require a more complicated model. Better to drop the artificial context altogether.

I grew up learning math in math class, and using math in science classes. I don&#039;t know how I can be comfortable, how we can be comfortable, doing the modeling where the skill acquisition is supposed to be taking place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I agree. To make the problem realistic would require a more complicated model. Better to drop the artificial context altogether.</p>
<p>I grew up learning math in math class, and using math in science classes. I don&#8217;t know how I can be comfortable, how we can be comfortable, doing the modeling where the skill acquisition is supposed to be taking place.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Math B Questions (2) &#171; JD2718</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Math B Questions (2) &#171; JD2718</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already posted three bad problems. (edit: There is ongoing math teacher discussion of individual questions at a Math A/B listserve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Bardoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Bardoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this for a problem with the lawn care problem.  Why would this company be interested in arc-length anyway.  It seems much more natural to be interested in the area that you have watered not the length of the edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this for a problem with the lawn care problem.  Why would this company be interested in arc-length anyway.  It seems much more natural to be interested in the area that you have watered not the length of the edge.</p>
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		<title>By: jd2718</title>
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		<dc:creator>jd2718</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$latex D_2$ is a dilation by a factor of 2, center of dilation unspecified. The notation is neither obscure, I have seen it in text books, nor universal (there are entire books on transformations that don&#039;t use that notation). In NY State it is ubiquitous. And most teachers here are unaware that the notation is not universal.

The radian problem would have been far better without the context, and with a multiple of pi radians, or with degrees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src='http://l.wordpress.com/latex.php?latex=D_2&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=333333&#038;s=0' alt='D_2' title='D_2' class='latex' /> is a dilation by a factor of 2, center of dilation unspecified. The notation is neither obscure, I have seen it in text books, nor universal (there are entire books on transformations that don&#8217;t use that notation). In NY State it is ubiquitous. And most teachers here are unaware that the notation is not universal.</p>
<p>The radian problem would have been far better without the context, and with a multiple of pi radians, or with degrees.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Bardoe</title>
		<link>http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/06/21/bad-math-b-questions-1/#comment-38063</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Bardoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the radian problem.  First of all I agree, but there is the qualifying part about this problem that students should be made aware that radians are a measurement of how many radii will fit in the arc.  So 1 radian = 1 radius.  The answer is 20 feet.

I think the dilation is the most egregious.  What does D_2 mean, is this some sort of New York terminology.  Is the math equivalent of &quot;ring ding&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the radian problem.  First of all I agree, but there is the qualifying part about this problem that students should be made aware that radians are a measurement of how many radii will fit in the arc.  So 1 radian = 1 radius.  The answer is 20 feet.</p>
<p>I think the dilation is the most egregious.  What does D_2 mean, is this some sort of New York terminology.  Is the math equivalent of &#8220;ring ding&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Some student reactions to Math B (6/08) &#171; JD2718</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some student reactions to Math B (6/08) &#171; JD2718</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I also found this conversation about the language on the dilation question. [...]</description>
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