Comments on: Teacher Pay: Are teachers overpaid? http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/ Education, Math, Teaching, New York, Bronx, Union, Language, Travel Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:03:43 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: jd2718 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6754 jd2718 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:12:42 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6754 I should reread Karl Kaestle's "Pillars of the Republic" which is the best history I've read of the development of public education in the US. Did he write about the transition you are referring to? I think so, but I'll reread (maybe over this coming vacation) I should reread Karl Kaestle’s “Pillars of the Republic” which is the best history I’ve read of the development of public education in the US. Did he write about the transition you are referring to? I think so, but I’ll reread (maybe over this coming vacation)

]]> By: Ed Darrell http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6747 Ed Darrell Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:21:08 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6747 "Women's work?" Daniel Boorstin, in his trilogy <i>The Americans</i>, and other histories note that way back in the day the idea was that the teacher in town would be the best educated, and probably the smartest guy. The teacher was often a local pastor. American denominations set up colleges -- like Harvard and Princeton -- to provide the education for preachers. The curriculum was heavy on history, heavy on math, heavy on literature, included geology and natural history -- all to make sure that the guy was well-versed in the real world. Religious topics were reserved for graduate study. How far have we come when teachers are the least respected, not always the best educated, sometimes the poorest paid people in town? And religious people often support eviscerating the schools and holding teacher pay down? Has real liberalism died in this nation? “Women’s work?”

Daniel Boorstin, in his trilogy The Americans, and other histories note that way back in the day the idea was that the teacher in town would be the best educated, and probably the smartest guy. The teacher was often a local pastor. American denominations set up colleges — like Harvard and Princeton — to provide the education for preachers. The curriculum was heavy on history, heavy on math, heavy on literature, included geology and natural history — all to make sure that the guy was well-versed in the real world. Religious topics were reserved for graduate study.

How far have we come when teachers are the least respected, not always the best educated, sometimes the poorest paid people in town? And religious people often support eviscerating the schools and holding teacher pay down?

Has real liberalism died in this nation?

]]> By: jd2718 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6648 jd2718 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:06:35 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6648 Is this the legacy of teaching being "women's work"? In any event, administrators, the gov't, the WSJ, they all know how much we work. There is an information war against teachers. Is this the legacy of teaching being “women’s work”?

In any event, administrators, the gov’t, the WSJ, they all know how much we work. There is an information war against teachers.

]]> By: Ed Darrell http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6646 Ed Darrell Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:25:56 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6646 WSJ isn't responsible for the invention of the stupid idea, though. Look at the methodology of the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports on which the study is based -- apparently education systems, schools and school districts, report that teachers work a 7.5-hour day. If educational administrators are clueless on this point, what the hell good are they? WSJ isn’t responsible for the invention of the stupid idea, though. Look at the methodology of the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports on which the study is based — apparently education systems, schools and school districts, report that teachers work a 7.5-hour day.

If educational administrators are clueless on this point, what the hell good are they?

]]> By: appletree » Blog Archive » Generic Issues http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6644 appletree » Blog Archive » Generic Issues Thu, 08 Feb 2007 01:48:17 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6644 [...] Hat-tip to JD2718: the Wall Street Journal decided to resurrect the meme that public school teachers work 7 hours a [...] [...] Hat-tip to JD2718: the Wall Street Journal decided to resurrect the meme that public school teachers work 7 hours a [...]

]]> By: jd2718 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6639 jd2718 Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:24:35 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6639 Of course you are right. Still lousy for anyone, professional or not. Of course you are right. Still lousy for anyone, professional or not.

]]> By: pissedoffteacher http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6633 pissedoffteacher Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:12:41 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6633 college educated professional! college educated professional!

]]> By: jd2718 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6595 jd2718 Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:20:14 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6595 Subway conductor? Bus driver? Subway conductor? Bus driver?

]]> By: pissedoffteacher http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6593 pissedoffteacher Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:10:17 +0000 http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/are-teachers-overpaid/#comment-6593 I don't know how much quality time my family thinks I spend with them when I sit locked away with papers and books every evening until after 10. An important comparison missed in the article--teachers must wait until a bell rings to go the the bathroom. No other profession has this issue. I don’t know how much quality time my family thinks I spend with them when I sit locked away with papers and books every evening until after 10.

An important comparison missed in the article–teachers must wait until a bell rings to go the the bathroom. No other profession has this issue.

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